Election 2008: The Democratic Presidential Candidates
-The author of this list is a Democrat. He does not claim to be neutral. The focus of this list, however, is accurately assessing the electoral prospects of each candidate, not advocating a certain point of view. It should be of use to people of all political beliefs.
It's never too early to speculate on the next presidential election. You can be sure the potential candidates are speculating on it as we speak. This election will be even more decisive than the one in 2004. A Democratic loss would set the party on course to permanent minority status. A win would provide for an opportunity to pack half of the Supreme Court. For those who resist the Bush agenda, the most important election in American history will occur in November 2008. It is never too early to speculate on its victor.
2008 of course will be a free-for-all, with both parties having perfectly competitive primaries. The main determent for a Republican candidate will be, I believe, a socially conservative background. The social conservative special interests have been clamoring for more clout over policy, and they will demand a socially conservative candidate in 2008 to further Bush's lukewarm agenda. On the Democratic side, all that matters is winning. This fact would give the upper hand to a candidate from the South or West, the conventional wisdom being that only a redstater can avoid John Kerry's fate. (As if this wisdom served Tennessean Al Gore very well.) This picture should favor the Democrats, with the outside possibility that the Republicans will nominate a nutcase in the Goldwater tradition, and with the very good possibility at least that infighting will weaken whichever candidate emerges.
The Also Rans
John Kerry- The Democratic nominee in 2004 would be mad to try again. Once the perception of being a loser seems into the public's mind, it is hard to dislodge. Al Gore, perhaps, could have pulled it off, but only because he could make a great case for why he didn't really lose. John Kerry lost by 3 million votes, ran a lousy campaign, and only got the nomination because people didn't have a credible alternative. He has no chance of being nominated.
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 1 VP Pick: 0
Al Gore- So what about that other man to "lose" to George W. Bush? Al Gore is a much better politician than John Kerry, both in his policies and in his campaign style. But he's been off the radar for far too long, and has marginalized himself by allying with the loosing primary candidate Howard Dean. I think he could have done it in 2004, but 2008 is a stretch.
Will Run: 1 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 2 VP Pick: 0
John Edwards- Although the man certainly has the unusual combination of Bill Clinton's charisma and Joe Lieberman’s integrity, he's never shaken the image of being a "lightweight". I don't think that criticism is all that unfair. His one term in the Senate was far from accomplished, the last third of which was spent running for the presidency. Now, without a political role to play, Edwards has no opportunity to prove himself. The ambition is there however, and I bet that Edwards will run in 2008. His inexperience, loss in 2004, and his three year absence from the public view will sink him pretty fast.
Will Run: 4 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 2 VP Pick: 0
The Heavywieghts
Hillary Clinton- Sen. Hillary Clinton is the smart money choice for the nomination. She is the only viable candidate with significant name recognition, a shrewd politician, and would have the backing of most of the establishment. Unfortunately, she is an inexplicably polarizing figure. The Republican press figured out a while ago that a smart, ambitious, well-known woman would be a formidable candidate at any level. It has thus been engaged in a decade-long smear campaign that has somehow painted the moderate
Will Run: 4 Win Primary: 4 Win General: 3 VP Pick: 2
Howard Dean- Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean seems pretty committed to becoming chair of the Democratic National Committee, which would preclude a run for the presidency. Should he not be chosen as the chair, I don't believe there is much chance he would be interested in the nomination. You can only run an insurgency campaign once, and his ran out of gas in
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 2 VP Pick: 2
Update: Howard Dean has been elected chair of the DNC. He is unlikely to seek the nomination
Joe Biden- One of my favorites and a sure contender in 2008 is Sen. Joe Biden of
Will Run: 5 Win Primary: 3 Win General: 4 VP Pick: 3
Barrack Obama- As a moderate superstar, Sen. Obama would be a formidable primary and general election candidate and this fact could induce him to run in '08. I have a feeling that Obama is too cautious to pull a John Edwards and risk everything on a presidential run before even completing one term in the Senate. Watch for Obama to sit it out and accept the Vice-Presidential nomination should it come his way.
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 4 Win General: 4 VP Pick: 4
Charles Shumer- The powerful Senator from
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 2 VP Pick: 3
The Southern Strategy
Mike Easley- The last two Democratic presidents have been Southern governors, and conventional wisdom holds that only a redstate governor can win in 2008. That wisdom may or may not be right, it is dangerous to take lessons from past presidential campaigns seeing as how small the statistical sample is. Nevertheless there are Southern governors who would be formidable candidates in any case. Governor Mike Easley of
Will Run: 3 WIn Primary: 3 Win General: 3 VP Pick: 2
Mark Warner- The Governor of Virginia has many of the same advantages as Gov. Easley, a moderate Southerner with a history of reaching across the aisle. He as the added advantage of being somewhat of a capitol insider, governing much of metropolitan D.C. Warner is a bit inexperienced, and may go for the Senate in 2006 instead. His moderation may hurt him in the primary process, but would be a huge advantage in the general.
Will Run: 3 Win Primary: 3 Win General: 4 VP Pick: 3
Phil Bredesen - The Governor of Tennessee(yes we really do govern three southern states!), Bredesen is a self made millionaire and former mayor of
Will Run: 3 Win Primary: 3 Win General: 4 VP Pick: 3
Other Redstaters
Evan Bayh- This Indiana Senator seems like a good choice if you buy the idea that the next nominee must be from a red state. However, his electoral success in
Will Run: 4 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 2 VP Pick: 3
Bill Richardson- The Governor of New Mexico has many of the things the Southern Governors have, executive experience, red state popularity, and a favorable election calendar. He also has extensive foreign policy experience and Latino heritage. If this sounds too good to be true, it is.
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 3 Win General: 3 VP Pick: 4
The Unexpecteds
Elliot Spitzer- The attorney general of
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 3 Win General: 4 VP Pick: 4
Jennifer Granholm- As a Michigander I cannot express how disappointed I am that the parents of our Governor decided to move to the
Will Run: 1 Win Primary: 4 Win General: 5 VP Pick: 1
Harold Ford Jr. - This Tennessee Representative is certainly the most impressive young democrat to emerge aside from Sen. Obama. Also black, Ford could become the first serious black contender since Jessie Jackson. He is far more ambitious than anyone else in
Will Run: 2 Win Primary: 2 Win General: 3 VP Pick: 3
Update: Ford has announced a run for Senate in '06, win or loose, unlikely to run in '08.
Updates:
Russ Fiengold~more soon
Barbra Boxer~more soon
Jon Corizine- moore soo
78 Comments:
Great picks! My only problem is with Joe Biden: I love him to death, but the whole plagarizing thing in the 80s and during his college years would probably be brought up again and again. Republicans and possibly even his primary rivals would rip him to shreds over it, accusing him of lack of character, integrity, whatever.
Also, Dean, Obama, and Ford aren't going to run (I know this is a list of possible candidates, but I know quite a few people who just swear up and down that one of those three is gearing up for 08). Obama's WAY too young, Dean is our chairman, and Ford will (unfortunately) lose in 06 in his senate campaign, making him unlikely to win a general election (although if he did manage to win, I would love to see him run in '12).
Personally, I agree that Hillary will probably get the nomination, maybe with Edwards or someone providing the usual liberal/neo-liberal challenge to the establishment candidate.
By the way, what about Evan Bayh? He seems pretty likely to run or at least wind up one of the top two or three picks for veep.
bayh's a DLCer... his chances are, and should be, next to nothing.
You left out Russ Feingold, Senator from Wisconsin. He's openly considering a run, and there's a grassroots "draft Russ" movement starting up to convince him to. He's proven that you can win by articulating progressive values proudly, and did significantly better in swing state Wisconsin than Kerry did. As the lone vote against the Patriot Act, he already has some notoriety and a reputation for independence and integrity. He'd be a strong candidate.
Barack Obama seems to very much want to be a Senator. I do see him as a future presidential candidate, but it's not quite the future yet. He should not be on the list. Or, if he is on the list, at the very least you should also include Brian Schweitzer, governor of Montana. He won a big victory in one of the most extremely pro-Bush states in the country, and has shown impressive political skills in framing the issues and setting the agenda. If he ran, he would be very likely to win. But, like Obama, he's not a 2008 candidate because he seems very interested in being governor of Montana and is going to stick to that job for a while.
Howard Dean - you are wrong about his inclination. He was fairly open with his supporters that he was weighing the choice of whether to pursue DNC chair or think about the 2008 presidential race. He picked DNC chair, and he got it, so he's not running in 2008 unless there's a strong movement to draft him (which won't happen if someone like Russ Feingold runs). But if he had not become DNC chair, I have little doubt he'd have run in 2008, and little doubt he'd have won both the nomination and the presidency. The primary was always his main challenge. Had he been the Democratic nominee, he'd have trounced Bush. Democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire picked Kerry not because they liked him better, but because the party convinced them Kerry was the "electable" choice. The party was clearly wrong, and many of them realize it. If Dean had run again, the message would have been, "well, you tried their way last time, and you see it didn't work. maybe Dean was right after all. time to try this other way." It would likely have worked.
Ed Rendell, highly popular Democratic governor of one of the biggest swing stations in the county, would be a very strong candidate. But seems unlikely to run because he's running for re-election as governor in 2006.
I like the list a lot. I was also thinking New Jersey senator Jon Corzine or Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius could also be potential candidates. Incidently, you kept spelling "lose" with two o's.
I feel awful for Hillary. The poor woman can't sneeze anymore without a bunch of political "experts" and pundits taking it as a sign she is planning on running for President. I am a bit suprised to not see Tom Vilsack on this list. He could be huge in '08. Keep your eyes on Gary Locke and Bill Nelson too.
Democrats have alot of good candidates that could win in '08, the problem is that they're destined to lose anyhow because Hillary sort of seems to have a lock on the nomination. They've got to someohow get her out of the way. Good luck.
PS: Bayh's a DLCer... his chances are, and should be, EXCELLENT.
(The hatred of the DLC shows the stupidity of the left wing of the party, these are the same people who threw the election to Bush in the first place by voting for Nader. Morons. The "DLC moderate" philosophy is the future of the Dem Party if it wants to win).
The DLC can boast a two-term President (Clinton)--not sure what the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party can boast about. What the extreme right and extreme left don't understand is that the majority of people in this country are moderates who have some liberal views and some conservative views. Extreme liberals often classify centrist moderates as DINO's (Democrats In Name Only) just because they may deviate from extreme liberal ideology. I consider liberals DINO's because they abandon the party and vote Green if the Democratic candidate has a moderate or conservative view on a particular issue. Centrists govern from the middle because they realize that the majority of Americans are in the middle.
what about brian schwitzer of montana? A western stratagy could give the democrats a landslide victory.
Hilary Clinton would be an awful choice. There are still to many people in this country that could not handle having a female president. Its awful I know but I think its still true. She is also to liberal for the swing votes.
The same with an african american president. Since we have had neither an african american nor a female president or vice I think its not possible to elect a female or african american as president, as of now. Especially in this time where most of country that votes is leaning towards the right. People are just to close minded for this still. My guess for the best choice for President would be one of the southern moderates Warner, Bredesen, and Easley. I also like Richardson but I think the southeners would be a better choice to win.
Vice President is a different story. An african american vice would be the way to go though. Obama or Ford Jr. The presidential candidate would get votes from the moderates that went to Bush and the vice would get a large number of minority votes. Villaraigosa is an example of this. He received a large amount of support from all minorities accept the asian population. Obama is who I'd want he is extremely charismatic and from what I can tell seems very intelligent. His only flaw that I can see is he hasn't been in the game that long.
This list is way too short. I think Joe Lieberman, Bill Bradley, Rod Blagojevich, Al Sharpton, and maybe Gary Hart or Dennis Kucinich should be on here, although I'm not sure what their chances would be. Bob Graham may run, but I doubt it. I'd also keep an eye on two very young Midwestern representatives, Tim Ryan and Stephanie Herseth, if not in '08 then almost certainly in '12 or, dare I say it, '16.
I'm impressed with the the optimism about Mike Easley! Wish I could say the same thing about Bredesen though. I understand that he recieved an "F" grade as governor of Tennessee.
Well it's offical. Biden's running. Let's hope he makes it this time. This site isn't totally out of date yet. Biden isn't completely a sure thing for the nomination, and there's plenty of good VP picks here.
Well it's offical. Biden's running. Let's hope he makes it this time. This site isn't totally out of date yet. Biden isn't completely a sure thing for the nomination, and there's plenty of good VP picks here.
Have you all forgot that Barack Obama is not from the US? A little bit of a preclusion there, no?
I think Jon Corzine would be a great guy for the presidency. However, not the right way to go. He is most likely going to be governor of NJ soon and is a good guy. If he does a good job cleaning up NJ it'd make him big. Sadly he would be governor for only 2 years when 2008 comes, and his liberal record might not be the way to go.
Well, I certainly agree with some of the candidates. Since I am from the midwest, I am a firm supporter of the outgoing DLC chairman Sen. Evan Bayh. For the person that said that he had no chance sence he was a DLCer, you must remember that Bill Clinton was a DLCer, and he won the election twice despite the hell the Republican party tried to through in his way. Also, Bayh has the ability to do many good things for this country, just as he has done in Indiana by reaching over the isle and bringing in individuals from both parties on issues that are very important to the people of Indiana.
Obama and Ford, Jr. are both going to be favorable candidates in the future, but they are both too smart to try and pull a John Edwards and mess up there chances of even getting elected by their states back into office. Ford, on the other hand, WILL win the seat the outgoing Senate Majority Leader Dr. Bill Frist is vacating. He, Ford, has excellent name recognition in Tennessee, and is likely to be a running mate with Obama in the future. The same goes for Obama, I give him another term in the Senate, and he will step up to the plate and do something really powerful for this country.
My choices for 2008 are Evan Bayh and Hillary Clinton, in some order. They will be in the White House in 2008.
I hope Hillary swears to NY that she will serve a full term, then she's out for '08.
I really think Biden is our best bet, even with the college thing, he is very personable and the plagarism isn't that big of a deal, something he should be able to overcome. He has all the right experience and he is a great media person. I think a Biden/Richardson or Biden/Bayh, or maybe even Biden/Fiengold would be the best.
GO JOE IN '08.
i think that all high government jobs such as senators, representatives of the house,the president and his administration should have a pay cut, a large one because they make way too much money due to the fact that they voted on raises for themselves and new laws passed to put firm penalties and investigations for bribes from large conglomerates and then we'll see who still wants to run, they would truely have the american people's interest at heart.
Joe Biden is the way to go in 2008. A Biden/Spitzer ticket is, in my opinion, the best bet.
I have to agree with taking a stand for liberalism. I think what hurts the Democratic party in national elections is our unwillingness to really stand firm in our beliefs. We have let the right make liberal a dirty word. Reaching it out to apathetic gen Xers is essential to the survival of the party and we won't do that with another bland centrist.
A victorious Bill Clinton and the DLC, ironically nearly destryoed the Democratic Party during his two terms by minimizing differences between the parties.
Now we have two major conservative parties, one for hard-conversatives and one for soft-conservatives, who then tell non-conservative voters that they have to vote for it as the lesser of two evils.
Before the DLC came to power, the Democrats had big majorities in Congress and the State Legislatures.
Now, in capilutation to the right and failing to stand up to Bush or the right on any major poicy issue (until recently Social Security privitisation -- thank goodness), the lines between the parties have blurred. This timidity and fear is why the country is way ahead of the Congress in opposing Bush's war of lies that caused this Iraq quagmire.
In order for the Democrats to win, they must embrace liberalism and liberal values and re-explain to the American electorate why they share those values and are actually "liberals" themseves..
This is not about moving right or left. It is about articulating what you believe. Many people voted for George W. Bush because they at least knew what they believed. John Kerry never stated anything without poll testing, focus grouping or media consulting it first.
Most people aren't "moderate" as if politics were linear. Most moderates have some instincts which are conservative and some which are liberal. Reagan reminded voters of their conservative instincts. FDR reminded voters of their liberal instincts. What was unelectable under Goldwater became electable under Reagan. What was unelectable under Reagan can become electable again.
In any event, going after "moderate" swing voters was the biggest tactical BLUNDER for the Kerry Campaign. When the nation in polarized, you don't go after five "swing" voters in Ohio and Florida with mushy, non-committal photo ops. You motivate your base more effectively than your opponent.
I'm tired of wimply liberals who won't stand up for what they believe. As long as the battlefield is all about how much conservatism we swallow, the left loses. Only when Democrats actually articulate passionately the values they believe in, can the terms of the debate be changed, so that when Democrats actually win will they have a mandate.
- Economic justice and strong support for Labor and working people
- Environmental salvation and stopping climate change
- Multinational cooperation in our foreign policy and international relations.
- Freedom of speech and civil liberties.
- Standing up to false patriotism and the false prophets of the religious right.
- Freedom of relgion and a secular government.
- Fair and progressive taxation, including making tax cuts for the already wealthy a very low priority
- Social justice and inclusion of every American, regardless of gender, race, religion or sexual orientation
- Universal access to our health care system
- Preserving and Strengthening Social Security.
- Corporate responsibility and accountability to shareholders and stakeholders.
- Sensible gun laws
Most Americans would say they support these things, without realizing that this makes them "liberal".
Notice, I didn't even mention abortion. If a Democrat cannot stand for those things I listed above, it is time for that person to join the Republican Party and be done with it.
Harry Truman said it best, "If it is a choice between a Republican and a republican, then then Republican usually wins".
When the Democratic Party once again stands up for the liberal values that the majority already hold, our politics will become meaningful again.
As a start, use the Democratic Party primaries to replace the misguided DLC corporate-shills with actual Democrats. Second, unilaterally stop taking corporate money. That money polutes the process and polutes the party. At least the Democratic Party's hands will be clean.
Finally, embrace the word "liberal". "Conservative" was not a popular word until Reagan made that label popular again. "Liberal" can be recessiated too. Getting Democrats to run away from the word and label "liberal" was one of Reagan's most sinister accomplishments. "Progressive" is a good word in itself, but Democrats like Bill Clinton are misusing that word in a way that means they vacuously don't have to stand for anything.
The conservative Southern Democrat is a thing of the past. We need to drop that model and accept that it is the Democratic Party's function and duty to advocate a vision of America different from watered-down conservatism. Forget the five swing voters in Ohio and Florida. That strategy failed with John Kerry's stand-for-nothing Presidential campaign. Go after the tens of millions of voters all over the country in every state who have given up on the process because they no longer believe the two major parties stand for anything distinctive.
The Democrats need a popular vote majority or any electoral vote majority will be hollow.
Where's Wesley Clark on this list?!
What would Wesley Clark's chances be a second time?
Or has he publicly said he won't run again?
Seems that he is an excellent moderate choice, and the Righties can't go over his military service.
I'm new to the group, but I have to say that Bill Richardson is spectacular. For being a governor (and any more you need to be a governor before you're president), his foreign policy creds are excellent, especially with nuclear proliferation. Furthermore, he's a good guy and very personable. He appears nice, and was even consoling/encouraging S.D.'s Sen. Thune during the base-closing debacle. All around nice-guy who secures any shakes there might be in California, makes Texas a contest, and locks up NM and AZ.
It's true that the conservatives are banking on Hillary Clinton in '08 as they banked on Howard Dean in '04. It would be great if she could win a general election, but this country is pretty conservative. H. Clinton couldn't get away with a fraction of the things the Bush-Cheney-Rove machine has gotten away with (not to say she would try). Barrack Obama nad Harold Ford and fantastic choices for 2012 or '16, but '08 might be a bit soon. As for sticking with moderates, I think that the first Bush term has shown us that Americans have a strong stomach for radical right-wing policies, so it might be best to ease into a 'Kennedy-left' liberal agenda by starting with a Joe Biden or Bill Richardson. Biden is the best choice, although he's getting up there in age. Perhaps Florida's Bill Nelson?
you have a really bussy scedule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's extremely important for all candidates to keep in mind that only about 11% of the country's population are activist; however, it is also important that as Democrats we re-establish the true meaning of our party. Instead of acting in spineless disregard for our values, we should take a stand and stand by it. Swaying to modern conservatist views are only letting Republicans at a small win anyways. We aren't promoting a country of accepted ignorance, we are hoping for a country that can reach a height of tolerance and acceptance all around. I think it is a good idea to put an African American as vice president to promote the minority vote, and I do think that Hilary as the nomination will put Republicans into glee. Unfortunately, while I admire Hilary, I'm not sure if the Democratic party could gain victory with her. I think it's important for Democrats to remember that they are not necessarily the party of extreme liberals, they are a party that represents humanity, social justice, and social rights. That to me appeals to even moderates who may swing right on some issues. The most important thing for the Democratic Party is not to sway from its meaning, but rather to promote this and understand that that is the true way to re-election and taking back the White House in 2008.
Everyone is so concerned about Biden, but I truly believe that Mark Warner would be the dems best choice. He is truly a moderate that could pull many, many votes from the independents. Might I add that he just helped push Tim Kaine to the Governor's Mansion in VA by more votes than anyone expected. He also pushed through a tax increase on a repulican controlled legislative branch. Additionally, Warner has already announced that he will not challenge George Allen for the Senate in 2006, but has been raising enough money to feed third world coutries, and leaves a pretty darn red state with an approval rating (despite a tax increase) higher than any VA Governor back to Patrick Henry. (something like 75%)
Obviously VA (the Mother of Presidents) wishes greatly to add another to that list.
These "moderates" we Democrats have on our lists are destroying the party. I agree with some earlier posts that it's time to step up for liberals. We have to convince Republicans that we're proud liberals. In 2004, if the Republicans screamed liberal, we turned and ran away trying to think of the best way to show us as moderates. We have made the Americans accept Goldwater conservatives like Rick Santorum and Tom Coburn to politics and yet think of being liberal as being a heathen. If we want to get our party back, we should nominate TRUE DEMOCRATS! If the country's conservative, it's time to turn them liberal! We shouldn't keep it conservative by nominating people like Mark Warner who are more conservative than Arlen Specter. We should nominate someone with liberal views and liberal ideas. We should look all over for them. NO MORE OF THIS MODERATE BUSINESS! My favorite TRUE DEMOCRATS are Hillary, Wesley Clark and Bill Richardson and I think all of them could win. Also, you forgot John Lewis, Congressman from Georgia. He's a devouted Southern Baptist and a former civil rights leader. He has Red and Blue State appeal and could bring in minority and Christian votes and has much integrity. I see him as more of a VP ticket, though.
i wonder why people are so afraid of h.clinton running for president? During her husbands two terms they accomplished more good than Bush has even thought of with his two. Oh yeah another clue they wern't spending trillions of dollars overseas. They had what i like to think America needs right now a DOMESTIC agenda. gee pay attention to whats going on at home... new way of thinkin' huh? i'm not saying H. Clinton can do any better than the other people the Democrats can put forth. but Damn... isn't everyone getting tiered of worrying about everything overseas. I think someone with a strong Domestic agenda and popularity from either party would have the 08' election gift wrapped for them.
Barbara Boxer in '08!!!!! I think she would make one damn fine president because she is not afraid to stick to her guns! She has the guts to do what needs to be done to fix the damage that Bushboy the Baboon and its henchmen have caused to our country.
Those are some great picks! It would be a dream come true for me if Hillary Clinton received the Democratic nomination, but even though she is absolutely 100 times better than Bush, people would refuse to vote for her due to her gender. I hate to say it, but some Americans are still dead-set against voting a female into such a prestigious position. Those ignorant Americans can deny it all they want, but I know that Hillary Clinton would be the best choice for the president of America; I truly believe that she would do the best in saving our country after Bush has torn it apart. Plus, having a female president would prove to foreign nations that the United States is culturally evolved, that the citizens of the United States are secure in our ability to stand-up and protect ourselves from terrorism, and that our nation has no weaknesses. Electing Hillary Clinton as the first woman president of the United States would show the grandeur of American society and leave a permanent mark on American history.
so let's do it.
I couldn't help but see that someone suggested that we run Barbara Boxer. My suggestion is: don't. If the Dems want to run a commie, they should run one that's ELECTABLE. She can do a lot more good where she is in the Senate. Maybe she could be Senate Majority Leader when we take back the Senate.
how about joe lieberman? i am a conservative republican myself, but if he ran, dependining on who the republicans pic, id say hed have a shot at getting it, of corse that is if he can get though the primarys, which will be tough considering his support for the war in iraq
RE: Al Gore, John Kerry
One of the things Democrats needs to do, even if just to get in the offensive mind-set and then win the White House at the extreme, is stop complaining about the "popular vote." This almost constant rant of "...and I didn't really lose becuase..." comes off as a complete lack of personal/Party responsibility. It is time for the Party to move forward, and stop looking so divided.
The Electoral system is good and just; the founding fathers prefered a system that insulates itself from radical popular pandering. Candidates need to win in the system in which they play. Hell, Gore lost his home state!
Election reform should not focus on the Electoral College/popular vote issue, but rather balloting. The problem with the 2000 Election was the Florida inability to accurately count cast ballots. The fact the Republicans were in charge lends itself, to some, as a conspiracy, though there is no supporting evidence of this. Simply put, we need a secure, modern and accurate way to count ballots.
i am from wisconsin, and have personally met, and campaigned for russ feingold. he is one of a small handful of politicians with any integrity. how many senators spend a great deal of their time when not on the hill attending a town hall meeting IN EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in his constituancy. my friend bill, who is jewish, pointed out that the religious right, and catholics/christians in general, will not allow a jew in the white house. as ignorant and anti-semetic as this may sound, i fear it may be true. i don't care either way... i will still tirelessly support the only conscienscious presidential candidate with a chance of winning. as for a running mate? FEINGOLD/FRANKEN IN 08'!!! Yasher koach, L'Chayim!
I am republican but I will vote for Senator obama if he runs.... I think He will make a good president
Joe Biden would be a good candidate. I would also vote for Wesley Clark. Best thing Hillary Clinton could do for the Democratic party is simply continue to serve as New York Senator.
I'd add Jon Corzine, ex Senator from New Jersey, soon to be Governor of New Jersey.
He is not DLC, smart as they come, has tremendous fund raising ability (including from his own personal fortune), has CEO experience, Senatorial experience and will be New Jersey's governor. Many will say he should wait until he has at least 1 term as governor under his belt, but given the sad state of Democratic Party leadership (nearly all Republican-light and therefore unable to win), he'd be a real competitor.
He doesn't support the stupid and unpopular Democratic leadership position of turning Iraq from a "bad quagmire" that was created by Bush into a "good quagmire" like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, the Johns (Kerry and Edwards), Wes Clark and even Barak Obama do.
He stands for positive Democratic values. The Republicans have demonstrated they ARE the party of ideas -- BAD ideas -- and everything they've done over the past 8 years has been harmful to the vast majority of U.S. citizens. From the Iraq War to handling Katrina, from tax cuts for the wealthy to unbridled cronyism and the Bankruptcy Act, from handling the "war on terror" to seriously threatening civil liberties, the Republican policies are despised by most Americans. The people also understand that the phony jingoism and hawkishness is being led by "lead from behind" Republicans and leadership Democrats who are willing to fight to the last drop of average people's blood and the blood of average people's families while virtually none of them or their families serve or ever have served on the front lines of the calamities they create.
However we need a modern-day FDR to articulate a clear, traditional Democratic alternative. It's not that hard to do, but the DLC wing is so tied to the same corporatists that the Republicans are tied to (Hillary Clinton is returning Abramof money also), that they refuse to put forward anything other than what the Republicans are putting forward.
Jon Corzine could be that modern-day FDR, as he understands current economics and believes in economic and political fairness for all in an environment of peace and knows, better than the rest of the Democratic Party leadership, how to obtain them.
Dont worry about the 2008 elections !!!!!
worry about your house,kids,your wife,the family dog.....your golf drive !!!
Forget about politics and don't worry who is next stupid clown republican or the wise democrat in the oval office,its all to late to look back an mend our mistakes.
OMG Hilary Clinton can go jump off a bridge!
All I can say is "PLEASE not Hillary". She's our surest way to lose.
The election is as simple as this... if McCain is nominated, the dems might as well give up. If the repubs go with their time honored slogan of "we would rather be right than win" and go with Frist, the dems will win. Its the republicans race to lose once again.
After reading many of these posts, I have to ask: are the Democrats a left leaning party or not? I grew up believeing that we were, but this seems untrue today. We Dems consistantly run away from the phrases "liberal" and "left-leaning", but if we are not those things then there is no viable opposition to the Republican neo-cons. While it is true that most people are moderate, the Presidency is not a moderate office. People respond to big presidential ideas. Congress is for moderates who need to be able to keep a cool head and compromise. Was FDR a moderate? LBJ? Reagan? These presidents took stands that frightened the opposition. If we want to win the White House in 2008, it won't be with moderate Republicans like Hillary or Biden. We need someone who can stand up and say: "Bush is wrong. He lied. And this is how we fix it."
And if the Democrats are no longer a left-of-center, opposition party, but rather a left-of-radical-right party, then I need to find someone else to support.
Why isn't Howard Dean listed? Do you know for sure he won't run?
Alright, now I see him. He is my pick.
Ok, I want a Democrat in the Whitehouse just as badly as everyone else. I think that Hillary has a serious chance in 2008. She is a very popular senator and a great fundraiser. Sorry, I love Boxer but she is way too Liberal. I say no to Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Obama, Feigngold, Clark, Biden, and my governor Rendell. I would love Hillary Clinton to be President. She is a financial genius, charesmatic, and has the support of the only Democratic two-termer in recent memory. I think that everyone is saying that we can't have a woman President and that is the only argument against her. The gender issue is supposed to be over, anyone who is opposed to her because she is a female should be ashamed as an American because they truly have no understanding of what we are. Stand up for what you beleive in. If you don't think she is electable, look at GWB's resume. (Not that we want another one of him) But my point is that she has done nothing to deserve all this flack and quite frankly, I feel bad for her. We need a Democrat. She is not too liberal and she shares the general beliefs of her husband. If he could win twice, why can't she?
Anonymous said...
" Dont worry about the 2008 elections !!!!!
worry about your house,kids,your wife,the family dog.....your golf drive !!!
Forget about politics and don't worry who is next stupid clown republican or the wise democrat in the oval office,its all to late to look back an mend our mistakes"
Well there it is. We're either so concerned & engaged with our own lives we don't want or have to look to the world around us, or we're so bogged down trying to keep our lives running, we're too tired to do anything about it. I seem to remember some version of this notion in Undergrad civics as being the means to keeping the "proletariat" down. I thinks them's fighting words... Sound familiar?
I'm hoping very much the Democrats will come up with a great candidate. Phil Bredesen, however, is no Bill Clinton. Bredesen has as much charm and charisma as a corpse.
What about Dennis Kucinich?
Any DLCer should be out. If you consider promotoing a war based on lies and signing cafta and nafta to drains this country of jobs a centrist position I want no part in it. People leave the democratic party year after year and not vote because they are so stumped on why they dont better challenge the republicans. Being just like them is not a way to challenge them.
I've noticed lots of comments that are against moderates and centrists, but in my humble opinion, it allows you to make decisions based on what you truly believe, not just because the whole Democratic/Republican party thinks so.
I think a moderate Democrat should be elected, because she/he would have the most appeal on the American population, who I think is afraid of an extreme liberal who will pull out of Iraq, but on the other hand doesn't want to continue the growing conservative trend. Personally I like Mark Warner.
I would love it if Mike Easley ran for president. He has been a marvelous Governor for North Carolina and I think he could fix most of the Bush Administration's policies, I also think that he could bridge the gap between republicans and democrats and make it a little closer.
This is a grreat site. A lot of passion and work went into it. As for who I think might become the Democratic nominee at the DNC I do like Biden a lot but the more I read about Feingold the more I like him.
if nominee can't won't or refuses to move to the center ie pres clinton then the democratic nominee will be doomed to failure.
My main problem with Hillary running is that I feel like too many people hate her. In the same way that so many people on the left hate or dislike Bush - just as many on the right hate Hillary. And the last thing the demorats need is to run a candidate for president that's a lightning rod for the right. I can already see the newsletters and mailings from the republicans - stop evil Hillary, she's worse than her husband - donate now...
I would have to say that Mark Warner would be the best contender in the GP out of all the possible contenders. Although I am slightly biased being a Virginian, you have to look at his track record as governor of VA - Virginia had recently won the title of "Best Ran State," he fixed our budget, he is a self-made millionaire businessman. I think he would appeal to both sides....and with Virginia being an infamously conservative state, and his successor, Tim Kaine, also a Democrat.
As far as Hillary Clinton is concerned or any of the African American would-be's, I don't think that America in general is ready for minorities to be president just yet. ME personally -- I wouldn't have a problem. But the color lines are still there, like it or not.
How about John Edwards? He is irresistably cute and adorable and has a uniquely soothing southern drawl! Like Bill Clinton, he can be a breathtaking ladies man.
I would like to see Al Gore run again. We need a man of his intelligence and the new and improved Al Gore is a force to be reckoned with.
I don't know why this is being ignored, but running Hillary would be a mistake. She is female. I personally have nothing against a female president, but right now, its just too risky. This is not the time for taking chances. This is the time to win. So while I support Gore, I will accept any reasonable candiate as long as we will WIN.
As A fellow Michigander I would like to say Jennifer Granholm is a horrible nominee. She has done nothing to help the big four auto makers causing the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs. Personally I like Biden or Dean.
Well...I came on here to find out what other Democrats were looking for in a candidate for '08...I'm currently reading Susan Estriche's 'The Case For Hillary Clinton', which has truly inspired me. I have never been embarassed or ashamed of being a liberal democrat, myself. I definitely agree with all of those comments saying we shouldn't be scared to annouce it. BUT the problem with that, is that it doesn't win elections. I'm sorry, but I would rather have a GOOD, fighting chance at putting a Moderate Democrat in the White House, than a (eek!) liberal in there. I personally don't know what I would do if someone in cahoots with Bush/his administration won the the Hill. This is basically it, people. ALL of us Democrats need to get our heads out of the clouds and really come together on this. Why argue when we can spend much needed time figuring out which nominee would be the most ELECTABLE candidate. I personally choose Hillary Clinton. If you question my choice, just go read Susan's book.
If not Hillary, then I vote for Mark Warner. I am a resident of VA, and think he's a great politician, very warm (which is something very rare in that business) and has great ideas. Imagine...if a red state like VA can pick him...then you do the math. The point is...let's get this done!!
I recently switched from NPA to Democrat. I did this so I could place a vote for Hillary Clinton. I think she has handled adversity well.. is very intelligent and strong enough to tackle any issue. I wonder if Bill could be Vice President? In any case I think its time to put her in the top job. We all know she can do it .. She has done a great job as Senator, and first lady. I read that Bloomberg was running independant and Guilani was running for Republican. Is this so Bloomberg can give Guiliani his votes? Enough already .. put HIllary in there .. like the rest of the world putting women in leadership positions.. its time we do this and break that barrier once and for all .. she will do a great job .. that is for sure.
Russ Feingold is our man at the early stage. He was the only one who seemed to have the intergrity to lock horns with the Republican'ts.
I am from the northeast and i can tell you....Kerry never again. The Dems need to spread them selves out to the rest of the country and more importantly work on getting something started in the south.
No way Hillary can win so do not even bother nominatingher. I would much rather have Nancy Peluso.
Dean is too much of a mental case....he is good at rallying the troops but you just never know when he will go psycho, Gore is intelligent but woudl be better served as a cabinet member.
Joe Biden would be a good choice but the fact that he is from a very small state would hurt. Edwards is a up and comer.
Thanks
I would love to see Hilary run. I think she would do a great job in the White House and I think it's about time we had a serious female in the running.
"1. Obama. He is the smartest and most charismatic by far. He is young, but older than Kennedy was. Read his memoirs if you doubt his intellect. He has an amazing life story, and his observations, particularly on race and class in America are right on target. And he is the first politician in my lifetime to preach the social gospel. He could reach across party lines and bring economically struggling,Christian white guys in Ohio back where they belong- to the Democratic Party." Whoever wrote this I applaud you, as a young black male who is currently military but have aspirations to step into the political light,this is one of the smartest things I have seen said. I don't know if Barack should be President, but this man has the tenacity to be a darn good VP. I understand the whole stigma that "we are not ready for a President who is a female or of color", but wake up Democrats it is inevitable. I see Hillary as a very formidable candidate to leading our party in 08' with Barack Obama or Evan Bayh as her running mate. I am military and I have gotten excited over the possibilities that I see this nation is going to take. Someone mentioned Harold Ford Jr. I really dont agree with him as a candidate of such high stature, he would probably do a better job that Howard Dean is as the leader of the DNC or Secretary of State, but he is not groomed well enough to be President.
Okay if Gore ran agian I know many republicans and democrats that would vote for him if he runs.
You need to talk about Feingold. He is a very good candidate with a great history. Some of the things that he has done just out of good faith are hard to believe. He actually took a pay cut one year in order to give his staff a Christmas bonus. I think he would really stand a chance.
Al Gore is my man--he's not an also ran--he's an also won. Hill's great but she has the baggage of her husband to herself.
Gore and Biden, I'm love'in it
Go Gore, I think that Bill Clinton would more influential than "baggage" for Hillary. What aboutthe Gove from Iowa, Vilsack he has formally anounced his interest.
Gore
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